Light.SystemDark.com

*Sigh* I got a few emails today informing me of something rather disturbing. I checked the link to find this:
http://light.systemdark.com

I wont call it a RIP because its not in my opinion, maybe an inspiration but either way, the webmaster (who also happens to be a close pal of mine shoulda let me know the deal)!

The emails outlined all the similarities to why they think its a rip.
- Same forum arrangements
- 3 ripped forums (Client-Side Programming, Server-Side Programming, Showcase)
- Same colour scheme
- Same overall layout, different header and footer
- Same forum modding

The list went on, it must have been one obsessed person or something :lol: but to be honest, he/she was correct! The modding was identical, the layout was similar the colour scheme etc. It pains me to actually realise this soo late and to actually see existing members from this board already knew about this too :x

I wanna know what you guys this of this. Thank god i had a new layout planned for GfxDiary in 2004!

ok, wont go to http://www.systemdark.com/ any more :P, fucking rippers. If I were you bio I would kick the webmasters ass :lol:

I am a mod there, I think he is just started moding the skin so it will change. Bio, just email him and ask, I thought you were friends???

Also, I do not see a rip, I thought it was similar but not a rip, just email him and ask.

We are, i just never knew about the forum. And to be notified by another person with a RIP email report just made the situation even worse.

... what... the...hell?

Want to explain what's going on? Where's the rip?

"Let you know the deal?" ?! How is it a rip? I don't understand, I lurk around these boards from time to time, yeah. The only idea I EVER took from this board is having the JUMPBOX in the same table cell as the display-posts-from-previous things.

It's not even and inspire, I've been sketching the forum layout for some time now. In fact if you're desperate for proof I'll even scan my schoolnotes with the blueprints for it :P Or some screencaps of the psds, whatever.

Oh, and the only thing I see similar is the gradient for the forum headers, and even that wasn't planned.

If you want to discuss this some more, we can do it through email, no sense in one-sided people commenting on garbage.

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*beep* rippers. If I were you bio I would kick the webmasters *beep*

That's intellect right there.

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That's intellect right there.

thank you very much, LAMER. Just look at my location, english isnt my language ... Im sure my interlect is far above yours.

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The only idea I EVER took from this board is having the JUMPBOX in the same table cell as the display-posts-from-previous things.

yeah sure, and all the other things were just by chance :?

nice spoken with you :?
prof. Thomas

This is dumb. Bio, I await your email.

BTW
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Your mother is a rip.

thats what you call intellect. :/

I don't feel the need to justify myself, but if you insist:

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*beep* rippers. If I were you bio I would kick the webmasters *beep*

English not being your primary language has nothing to do with anything. I was describing the intellectual (or lack thereof) concept behind such a stupid remark.

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thats what you call intellect. :/

Taking the quote completely out of context, it was a joke thread I started responding with funny quirks to hate mail.

I'm going to cease responding to your threads. It's getting tedious.

and what makes you say my post was serious :?
It even has a ":P" wich means im kidding :wink:

Im not too bothered, at the end of the day, people know this interface/forum design is been out for months and your version just recently surfaced.

Its nice to know you've been lurking around here from time to time and i guess that was the result eh?
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The only idea I EVER took from this board is having the JUMPBOX in the same table cell as the display-posts-from-previous things.

At least you've been honest about the modding similarities!

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Oh, and the only thing I see similar is the gradient for the forum headers, and even that wasn't planned.

Oh and the same goes for the colour similarities too ;)

Dont worry though, the GfxDiary skin will be slightly changed during xmas so expect less hate emails and my inbox's rip reports should die down a little...

I'm disappointed you don't believe me.

If this is the way you want it to stand, then so be it.

There's no denying that they look similar. I wouldn't call it a direct rip, but I'd say he has measured up the aspects that work well with the Gfxdiary forum and used them on his own.

Look past the eye-candy and its virtually just a stream lined copy in my opinion.

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Look past the eye-candy and its virtually just a stream lined copy in my opinion.

dude!, I totally agree :D

Okay, let me get this on track:

I'm disgusting that you would think I ripped you. Give me a break, you know how it feels to be falsely accused of rip. (ProEffect)

We are friends, for one thing. I've been linking you on my website and vice versa since before SystemDark; back when I was Merlyn Designs.

What you are doing now is extremely unadmirable. Completely ignoring everything, you publicize my forums that was still under primitive beta testing and jump in without research into accusations. You have also completely disregarded my offers to show proof.

What I see here is merely a blind attempt at self-flattery. As I said, the forums were under private discretion, so I doubt the validity any number of rip reports that you are getting, one. Two: I've been getting no hatemail at all, merely because I follow common courtesy.

I've been holding you in a much higher regard than this. You were one of the many factors that influenced me into getting into web design. I'm surprised (and alarmed) at how eager and willing you are to compromise such a mutual respect.

In a last attempt to defend myself, without losing dignity (because such a claim is completely false and really does not deserve any acknowledgement whatsoever) here I go;
1. the color scheme. This is your major source of complaint. This color scheme is not original to BioMUTATION/GFXDiary. To name a few greater-known people: Halo'vision (past version), Exidge/Egeis (gen 1.0, 1.6), and SoulMethod/Viral Mind (current version) http://viralmind.com all have a similar environment. When I was creating my forum, I had in mind a sterile page layout. I had no intentions of copying GFXDiary. Which leads into this:

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Its nice to know you've been lurking around here from time to time and i guess that was the result eh?

No, in fact, I only BEGAN lurking around here after I FINISHED my forum color and layout design and started tweaking it because I was planning on inviting you to beta-test. As mentioned earlier, I changed my mind because you were definitely busy enough here.

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At least you've been honest about the modding similarities!

No, I don't even admit to the modding similarities. I said that the only idea I took was the Jumpbox location. This is tantamount as saying "I ripped you because my navigation bar is on the left, and so is yours." In addition, if you classify my forum as a rip because of that argument, then I could say you ripped off the phpBB smileys.

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- 3 ripped forums (Client-Side Programming, Server-Side Programming, Showcase)

Many forums have the same idea. Believe me you are going too far if you claim ownership of these classifications.
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- Same overall layout, different header and footer

The layout is the same one that all phpBB bulletins have. I can supply no further argument.
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- Same forum modding

If you mean the Quick Reply, I had no intention of using it. It was by popular demand from my forum members for me to install it. I also did some research and I can see no other similar mods.
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maybe an inspiration

BioMUTATION since I've first seen it has been a creative boost (biomutation.co.uk, before this version) I had no intention of copying it then, I have no intention of copying it now, either.

5. there is no 5

For all of this effort, I am truly sorry and disappointed. I wish your website a healthy one and I pray we will have nothing to do with each any longer.

I am also through reading this thread. I'm tired of one-sided arguments from members who have absolutely no idea of our past relationship.

A goodbye with regret and diminished respect,
~resplent

im getting tired of you, you just wont get it. please just stop sucking up. This has nothing to do with any relationship, a RIP is a RIP. Just look at trico's post, he's taking a nutral view and also thinks its partly a rip.
This thread is not of use anymore, you just dont admit it, wich makes the situation even worse...

dabluedude: Respelnt was making a point there. I understand exactly where he's coming from so let him express himself.

Resplent: If you read my first post when i opened this discussion, i never said it was a RIP. I said a probable inspiration but the main point of this was the fact that i never really knew about it till now, and through a third party. Thats what got to me!

I know we've known each other for a while, and past all the help we've offered each other throughout the many months i am pleased to see SystemDark finally making a comeback into the scene. Now to answer ur questions:
I dont really require any proof that what you have made is your work cos i know its yours. And yes, i know how it feels to be wrongly accused of ripping, thats why i never went into this discussion blind folded and labled you a ripper.

Thanks for the nice comments regarding my work and for taking the time to shed some light into this.

Come to think of it, i've actually enjoyed helping people better themselves and if a mate (say you for example) asked me if they could use elements from my work you know what my answer would be - remember ;)
At the end of the day you're an affiliate and a good mate, and i wont let small things like this get in the way. I hope you all the success and fingers crossed!

OK for one it is not a Rip cause i know you guys probably use phpBB to make the forum. Sure the color scheme is the same but it is arranged differently. I am not taking sides but it looks good. Infact they both look good. There are differences though.

How is it a rip when NO images are the same and the only resemblence is the colors?

Definalely not a rip, this kind of stuff infuriates me, unless gfxdiary has a copyright for the color "gray" or "grey" then i agree, it is a rip, sue me too, i've used grey. Also, this skin is a skin by aalix and is a free download at www.phpbb.com, infact i could flame gfxdiary for removing aalix's credit at the bottom.. unless they remade this.. exactly the same, deeming it a rip by your own standards.

any fool who thinks res ripped this site should go down to pirated-sites.com and learn what a REAL rip is. Also, both these forums are phpbb and there are so many phpbb skins out there, that most skin's will have another skin that is similar to it, but for christ's sake, this looks nothing like sysdarks!!

Oh, and about the category name rips, unless you can rip words, it is nowhere near a rip, and if u check any other gfx forums on the net, i GUARANTEE you will find another category with the same name.

Forum Moding, phpbb.com & phpbbhacks.com, download them for urself, they're free of charge.. idiots.

i suggest you fools get lives, if your here for gfx, look at gfx, if your here because ur a gfx artist, go do some gfx, if your here to call pixel rips, i think you need a life.

- these are my views on the matter, i am not trying to insult gfxdiary admins/members with my statements. (except the fools who call pixel rips)

p.s. check out my site, i have the same forum skin, call it a rip if you want, but since it is a free skin, i am allowed to use it :) (only temp till i get skinning down, please bear with me :roll: but i doubt its a big deal, if u check.. u'll see my member count is about 8 :cry: )

p.p.s. just for the fun of it, i am calling this site a rip of ultrashock.com, they also have the quick reply link, the color grey, the same style of emoticons, similar layout, the ability to post, private messaging, etc... w00t, sry guys, just having fun

heheh, nice comments there preble.01 you started well but um, i guess you lost the discussion plot half way through. Glad to see you're having just as fun as we are though :P

Now let me begin, firstly, if u care to read the first post (sigh) i NEVER said it was a rip, a probable inspiration! You're the 2nd person i say this to, guys u need to start reading the entire topic before commenting! The issue is now resolved with Resplent eitherway!

We are NOT using Aalix's template themes anywhere on GfxDiary, the one u use on your site is - only resemblance being colour grey but thats not the same gradients we've got here. Therefore, we're not using their skin, and understandably, do i need to ask you if we should put their credits? :?: I created this template myself using a "vanilla" phpbb skin - thats a fresh copy of the official skin with its SDK development kit if you're confused and wondering!

Regarding the modding, yes, there are many forum mods/hacks available on the net with n00bish instructions which u can follow to customise your board. However, there are certain aspects of GfxDiary that we've modded which arent available as hacks, ie. you wont find them anywhere on the net unless you've been here and seen them on GfxDiary first then went and implemented them on your board!

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i suggest you fools get lives, if your here for gfx, look at gfx, if your here because ur a gfx artist, go do some gfx, if your here to call pixel rips, i think you need a life.

do i sense tension here? have u formarly been accused of ripping? cos i sense that came from the heart ;) This is just a tiny section in this GfxForum called Xpose, its where people like you and me who want to share their views, and discuss. um..and who said anything about "PIXEL rips"? In fact, ur the only person who mentioned that here.

Like i said, interesting points, but um.. most of the time u had no idea what you're writing about there. :lol:

Guys, this issue has been resolved. This wasnt a post to expose a RIP and stone him/her to death. Just a mere friendly discussion. I've worked with Resplent of SystemDark in the past, and believe it or not im not too bothered if he decides to mirror this site 100% cos at the end of the day, i dont own the rights to use the Adobe Acrobat Interface ;) Get my drift? Its a shame nobody managed to point that out. Also, if he asked for help im damn sure i would have ended up helping him develop it cos i know he'd do the same for me! Before i terminate this topic, i just wanna leave u with a simple fact. All ideas come from somewhere, otherwise they wont be called "IDEAS" but rather "INVENTIONS"!