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I been looking on Xpose much, but i dont see any point in that, despite most of others here. Just tell me why report a ripper? If you found him riping, then the other man who knows a little in internet browsing will find he riped the site. Or you fighting for fair internet? Heh like far away from fair. Or maybe we should report sites with close looking structeres? Then every site is rip of the old ones, who created that kind of style. Why dont just live with it? Sometimes i think most of the world is full of that f'king "fair life " simptom from USA. Like if i dont do any homework in uni , but study good 96% of any mine roommate will report me. Got mine little point? Hope you did.
The reasons I can think of to report a ripper are:
1. To tell other people that a certain person is a ripper.
2. To warn other people about that person.
3. And revenge.
I'm sure there's more but I can't think of any right now.
Here my houck comes:
1. To show ya smart as* eh? Noon cares really.
2. Once again who cares?
3. Revenge? maybe it is a problem the original owner should decide? And he should look for rippers and do what he wants, but if he is lazy ass or a person that dont really care if anybody rips his sites cause he know he is on higher lvl to pay attention to such crap?
Damn as i thought, my theories come up on thsi boards.
Ok i know where you're comming from RedDragon, after spending so many years on the net i came to a point where i dont really care much if i find rippers. Even in the event my own site being ripped, i just send the ripper an email asking for my work to be taken down or shame the ripper with a simple "if you asked for permission you might have got it".
However, not everyone is as "psychic" as you Red. Not many will know that a certain site is a rip. But as always where do you draw the line between inspiration and rip? Because i sure as hell know i got ideas from other sites. In that case i consider myself the biggest ripper of all! It all comes down to how well you play your cards. If you change an existing idea enough to suit your own purpose and it doesnt look like a copy & paste job from an existing source then theres a strong chance you'll get away with it.
This section is purly for the reason of bringing the much needed attention to these kind of matters. All relating to people who shamelessly use the work of others without giving them any credit for it.
Lets say that everything done is already forgoten good past. So even Microsoft ripped the operational system from Apple, while changing some functions. Does anybody care? Still most of peeps everywhere buy New Windows, cause noone cares. So why not making unexpected wind blows to both the ripper and the official design creator? If the creator would care, he can easily find rip himself, without f'king moffos who try gain respect from BIG daddys of died design? And why you call yourself a judge whats good or wrong? For example whole GfxDiary is a rip of DA just with adding some "cosmetical" advances. Also i am 10000% that all those privacy, copyright stuff not based on any law . So if there is no papper that shows ya original owner, that copyrights your work, you still get ripped.
You're right about Microsoft and Apple. But the fact MS understood the weaknesses of the existing system (Apple) and brought their own version with the needed changes that people wanted, it dominated the market. Thats how the world operates, not neccessarily making something totally new, but improve on an existing ideas. Its a fact that most ideas have already been done before the only difference is that new and clever enhancements are added to make them better than the old ideas. Let me give you a classic example. Hoover invented Vaccum cleanrs. It ruled the world, everybody was happy. However, Dyson figured out the weakness that Hoover lacked and so they recreated the idea only they added their own clever enhancements. The results? Dyson is the new world leader in that department ;) And still everybody is even happier (and cleaner).
I wouldnt say GfxDiary is a rip of DA just yet. Its not in the same league other than the fact they're both design communities. But we have taken steps to strengthen the areas which are weak or non esixtent in DA. The key to succeed is to study your competition and fix their mistakes/weaknesses. The only influence DA had on GfxDiary is the logo, even though we went for a semi circular design because it fits the header. And about the privacy/copyright material, its a common practice on the internet to publish a Privacy statement and stand by it. This is your oath to your visitors that you will do everything in your power to protect their information, and not leak it to third parties. Do you see us selling your information and adding you to 3rd party sites? Or sending you spam or any other material sent to your by other sites? NO!
Copyright is a form of claiming your property so when you stand in court at least you have grounds to say this is your work and that its already stated on the site. And the user have seen and acknowledged that this is your work as stated on each page. Comprende? Damn, i feel like a teacher now, never start open topics like that - it takes too much time out of me! :? :P
Ok. Concerning the copyright ststement I belive its important (at least ©2004 - Sitename) . There is a limit between inspiration and ripping. Its no sweat copy pasting source code and pics (even easier if you just use the save as.. function). But when you get inspired you strive to get as good as the design of the guy which gave you the inspiration but also give in a personal touch and it often results in original design based upon inspiration.
LOL Bio ya didnt get mine point. So you say you went to special copyright center and copyrighted ya work there? Dont make me laught since it costs money. So it means you cant even hold ya work , since you havent copyrighted it right, so you simply go to hell with that letters written in the bottom.
Lol you talking about M$ making more stabil operational system. Why does Apple computers cost x2 more then same powerful Pentiums with M$? Cause Apple is much more effective, less lagg full.
Turning back to DA and GFXD. ATM i dont see so many advantages you did to make GFXD better then DA.
Red I had enough of your damn post, everything is bitching this bitch that fuck that fuck this i complain about this.
You dont know anything about copyright laws so why dont you be quiet. All you have to do is have proof that gfxdiary belongs to Bio and he has had it befor anyone else claims to have created gfxdiary.
Domain Lookup is the first place. That shows how long he has actually had it. He can sue anyone who claims to be gfxdiary. Those are copyright laws.
What your talking about is registering/trademarking your name or patenting an idea. That will give you grounds to stop ANYONE from using it and increase your revenue when you sue for damages. However, simply signing something and writing your copyright and year is enough to claim authorship of that work. I can see you have no idea how that works, so i suggest your read about copyrights on http://www.howstuffworks.com or search for it in google.com - anywork you produce is copyrighted the moment you claim authorship of it.
About Apple costing more than Microsoft, thats just a matter of poor research. We all know how important it is to be right beside your competition and take over their customers, so apple cositng 2x more than MS is actually what is making them so rubbish. Because microsoft is there smiling and enjoying the ever increasing customer base. Never mind their system stablility or efficiency. As for Pentium/power etc, thats not related to MS so i wouldnt even go there, thats just hardware so stop confusing yourself. ;)
About the advantages of GfxDiary against other communities - only time will tell! Ask that question in a years time and we'll see!
In end about rippers i came to conclusion that you all sick of "right" syndrom also Sim... *Edit: comment removed by BioALIEN*.
Yea Bio i dunno why i wrote about Pentium, went to trap door in my own thoughts, all tryed to say is that Apple is more efficent and stabil, then M$. Cause when i been working on mine friends Apple i never had same stuff happening on windows. Also i like it's graphical editors.
Yea i hope i be proud to be member of GfxD community, but you claimed to show people that GFXD has much more advantages, looking in future heh? Dont suggest to drema of further future, cause it mostly comes to being broke.
Ok close this thread please, i got everything i wanted.
The topic is genuine, and brings issues about copyrights into perspective so i think its helpful to leave it open.
2Red: Its not about us being sick of "right" syndrom you just dont wanna admit your wrong ;) These issues are kinda common though and it was only a matter of time before someone else brought this issue forward. Btw, sim was making a valid point about your foul language, you should actually take it into consideration rather than hit back with more foul words! :idea:
2Sim: that was a rude tone i sense there :o Just because i am the owner of the domain doesnt make the GfxDiary site "mine". It started as a group effort and will always be a group effort because myself alone would never even dream of building and putting together something as big as this. But its true, all the data collected from the internet would be used to aid your case in the event of copyright issues. This includes Whois lookup of your domain, statistics, logs, ISP data, filename and modified dates etc.
I was trying to prove a point. If someone went out right now and started calling themselve Po2 as a software developing company. I could sue them. Ive read enough copyright issue's. Ok maybe not be able to sue them, but you would be able to get your name.
Po2 is not a registered company but it doesnt mean if someone and goe's and registers it, I cant overthrow them.
As long as you can prove that it was your's befor theres then your set.
I was saying a whois would be a good place to start. To see howlong you owned a domain. Po2.net would be a great way just to show Ive had it for last year. Then the newest programs I got released and on tucows would be another way. Then if I needed witnesses, I would get most of the people from Po2 to go to court to prove that Po2 was a company since 1999.
I had to reread your last sentence a few times. "the even of copyrigth issue's" i was like wtf is you trying to say then i was like o event. then "This include" im like wtf then realized it was "This includes"
Damn Bio why you moderated?
RedDragon you cant go dissing people, have some respect and dignity and let things slide for once.
Sim, you're right there, i think you have grounds to take them down ONLY if they're affecting your business such as the recent microsoft/mikerowsoft case. However, i doubt you'll be able to sue or claim any damages whatsoever since you dont have any legally binding papers. However, if its a non profit organisation registering your name then kiss it goodbye. The classic example is the WWF (World Wildlife Foundation) or something taking over the World Wrestling Federation name. They're non profit and its a glitch in the law!
Oh and two can play that game:
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Po2 is not a registered company but it doesnt mean if someone and goe's (if someone goes) and registers it, I cant overthrow them.
As long as you can prove that it was your's befor theres (yours before theirs) then your (you're) set.
I was saying a whois would be a good place to start. To see howlong you owned a domain. Po2.net would be a great way just to show Ive had it for last year (for a year/since last year). Then the newest programs I got released and on tucows (wtf?) would be another way. Then if I needed witnesses, I would get most of the people from Po2 to go to court to prove that Po2 was a company since 1999.
All my modifications are in red, all your mistakes are underlined. I hope this teaches you some proper english! ;)
Ok i'll play this game with you. Your next mistake is
All my modifications are in red. All your mistakes are underlined. Need a period there. You can't stick a comma between two sentences without a "special" word such as for, so, ect. =)
ok, I did not read all of the post, cuz I am lazy and it is too much reading for me :lol:
to sim - shut up geek.
to Red, the main reason why people report/go after people is to get money from them. For example, many people rip 2advanced, and one of their staff members posted on some forum that they get around $150,000 from each ripper that they decide to sue. Thats a very good reason to care about ripping don't you think :wink:
"I was trying to prove a point. If someone went out right now and started calling themselve Po2 as a software developing company. I could sue them. Ive read enough copyright issue's. Ok maybe not be able to sue them, but you would be able to get your name.
Po2 is not a registered company but it doesnt mean if someone and goe's and registers it, I cant overthrow them. ." - sim, ahahahaha, I think you should do some research before posting bs like this next time.
can anybody explain me what this monkey Sim said? I am not very good in monkey language. Lol sim if you testing mine language dont act like smart ass, not all of us is Burger ass *Edited by BioALIEN*.
RedDragon, lay of the foul language. And dont even dream of including racist remarks in there - this is your FIRST WARNING! You know where we stand on things like that!
You started this thread, get some intelect going and put aside all that gangster attitude - it wont help you here!
Back to the topic here: yeah money is another motivation to sue but ONLY if you have registered or hold the legal papers. Which kinda makes it tough to go against a company that ownes/registered these legal papers. So lets say a company registers and trademarks and patents a name you've been using and the idea of your software/company. Theres not much you can do really, even if you did start the idea/name before them. However, you could get evidence that you started before them to aid your case in the event THEY try to sue you for damages.
noxcel, did you ever register anything besides your domain? Ive read in and out about registering names. It even states if someone allready registered a name that you been using befor they registered, you may be able to use the name instead of them.
so dont say im talking bs.
More than one person can use the same name as long as they are different lines of work; there are loads of other factors though such as how long you've ran with a particular name etc.
Trico's right. Kinda forgot about those details.
I could create a microsoft screwdriver and they couldnt sue me unless microsoft is a trademark. Is that correct?
Only you can name ya screwdrivers Miscrosoft.
sim wrote:
if your real name is microsoft, microsoft will still sue you :lol:
Not long ago Microsoft attempted to sue over someone www.mikerowesoft.com - but dropped it after being criticised; would've been as bad as the RIAA suing a 12 year old girl.
People got mena and using laws in wrong directions, just to get more rich........faggots!
Trico, microsoft brigged the kid with a bunch of video games and x box.
Red dragon, thats the 3rd beep ive seen from you in last 5 minutes of browsing the new post.
sim wrote:
so fuckin what? is your mama reading the forum with you? GEEK
No but it shows more professionalism, and the fact that we have grown ups here not a bunch of kiddies swearing and running their mouths off. Actually everytime someone uses bad language here the GfxDiary censor just renders them stupid, since nobody can read their posts properly! :idea:
Wasnt red banned once allready?
And? Also if you never been to Kazan you never understand why i speak like that.
Ok guys, i've found a really good article you all should read. It has lots of important and useful tips:
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Everyone has seen the common trademark identifiers, but few people, other than trademark attorneys, notice or know the difference. Using the appropriate symbol can be important in protecting your rights in the trademark. Understanding the symbols can prevent you from infringing upon another company¹s mark.
"TM" and "SM" stand for "Trademark" and "Service Mark", respectively, and have essentially the same legal effect. When you see this mark next to a name or logo, the owner is claiming the the mark is unique and owned by him. Legally, the owner is putting the entire world on "notice" that he thought of it. These symbols can be used at any time in conjunction with the goods or services. "TM" can be used with goods or services. "SM" should only be used with services.
The Symbol ® has a different meaning. It stands for "Federally Registered Trademark" and is much stronger. The owner can rest easy if he has earned one of these. The owner of a federally registered trademark owns a piece of "intellectual property" recognized by the federal government and it can be bought, sold, leased, lost, or destroyed, like any other piece of property. It is against Federal law to use the symbol ® unless the mark is properly registered.
If there is a dispute over who thought of the name or logo, the individual or company that filed the necessary paperwork to register the trademark can walk into court with the Patent and Trademark Office official certificate, give it to the judge, and sit back. The other party has the heavy burden to prove prior use. Even if the non-registrant has proved prior use, his continued use in the mark is greatly limited by the Federal Registration.
An owner of a registered trademark should always use the ® in conjunction with the mark. Failure to use the symbol ® with your registered name or logo may cause you to lose your rights. It is the best way to put the world on notice that you mean business when it comes to your company name and/or logo.
Ok read, thx .
Since this topic has been discussed recently, i figured i do more research since you guys seem to have got it wrong. Just to reconfirm my original belief and prove to you guys the already obvious:
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A trademark is not a copyright nor is it a patent. A copyright protects an original artistic or literary work. An invention is protected by a patent.
Copyrights and patents eventually run out, but trademark rights can last forever if the owner continues to use the trademark to identify goods or services. Federal trademark registration lasts 10 years, but the registration can be renewed every 10 years. There is quirk in this process, so be careful to note that between the fifth and sixth year after initial registration, the trademark holder must file an affidavit with certain information about usage to keep the registration alive. If that affidavit is not filed, the registration is canceled.
Registration of a trademark is not required, but it does provide several advantages. Benefits include formal communication to the public about your ownership and right to use the mark for the purposes explained in the registration. If there is a legal question about use or ownership of a trademark or service mark, registration carries a lot of weight and can head off infringement law suits.
There are no federal laws regarding the use of the designations "TM" or "SM" with trademarks. There may be local and or state laws (plus overseas regulations) regarding these symbols. The right to use the ® symbol, however, requires the federal stamp of approval.
Reference: http://www.allbusiness.com/articles/content/147.asp
So to explain it again, TM/SM marks are free for all. IF you want to pay to register your TM it becomes a Registered Trademark (R) which then entitles you to win damages in a court battle. Comprende?